http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ IV(AC) Sqn Association Forums en-US Fri, 18 May 2012 21:42:13 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0-rc-2 q http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/search.php http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=30#post-60 Sun, 13 May 2012 15:16:56 +0000 bertieloveday 60@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Thanks a lot Dick - he is sorted. Bertie </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=30#post-59 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:04:33 +0000 Dick Hocking 59@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Try the BBC archives , i know they had a film crew down there during the 4Sqn tour 82/83 which went out on Panorama on 14th Feb 83. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=30#post-58 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:37:50 +0000 bertieloveday 58@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>My colleague Gp Capt Peter Seymour (Retd) , ex OC Admin at Gutersloh around 1986-87, is presenting to the Royal British Legion in May and has asked if I can locate a couple of minutes of video of RAF Harrier ops in the Falklands. RN need not apply. Can anybody help? Best Regards, Bertie Loveday IV(AC) 1970-73 </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=29#post-57 Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:59:40 +0000 Dick Hocking 57@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Tyler you old scrote, how you doin fella.<br /> As mike og says are you on faceache, if not i am at <a href="mailto:gsxr884@hotmail.co.uk">gsxr884@hotmail.co.uk</a><br /> Are you still on the Thunderbird &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; <br /> Cheers Dick </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=29#post-56 Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:27:38 +0000 mikeog007 56@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Are you on facebook you old trout.........if not then email <a href="mailto:mikeog007@msn.com">mikeog007@msn.com</a> </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=29#post-55 Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:03:08 +0000 philtyler 55@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>We're now living in Northern Cyprus in Alsancak. Glad to hear what's going on. Would be pleased to hear from any of our old friends. Jenny and Phil Tyler (Kim). </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=1#post-54 Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:19:31 +0000 webmaster 54@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>And I suppose £5 was a lot in those days! </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=28#post-53 Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:58:32 +0000 kevinmarsh 53@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>I am very proud and honoured to announce that IV Squadron has been stood up at RAF Valley, I am the new CO and i am very much looking forward to working with you, especially as we move into our Centennial year! For those of you on Facebook, we have started a Sqn page: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/IV-Squadron-RAF/159576917473570" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/pages/IV-Squadron-RAF/159576917473570</a> And we plan to use this to spread news and information. </p> <p>Best regards,</p> <p>Wg Cdr Kev Marsh<br /> OC Happy 4! </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=1#post-52 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:21:52 +0000 kengarner 52@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Hi.<br /> Just joined, though an outsider! Was with 617 Squadron in the 50s Elecrical Fitter working on the Avro Lincoln and the Canberra. Did 6 months in Malaya dropping 1,000 pounders on the terrs. See what you think!<br /> Tale from the RAF.<br /> Theres a newby on the dispersal and I get the job of showing him round the Lincoln, Its a cold day and as the NAAFI wagon had just been, we took our buns and coffee into the nose out of the wind and I carried on my chat. Break over, we tidied up and before I could stop him, the new lad threw his coffee dregs down what looked like a drain in the floor. It wasn't a drain, worse, there was a bang and a thud and a ten man dinghy popped out of its stowage in the wing root. The look alike drain was the inlet for the flotatiom switch for the dinghy in case of a ditching at sea. The lad got 7 days CC and had to pay £5 towards the cost of restowing the dinghy. Fun over for the day!</p> <p>Ken </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=1#post-51 Fri, 09 Sep 2011 09:33:54 +0000 John Wickham 51@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Google it and you will find pictures, Video's et al </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=27#post-50 Thu, 30 Jun 2011 23:26:18 +0000 webmaster 50@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Hi Mo,<br /> Sorry I missed this post.<br /> You need to register separately for the Harrier Force.Association. Go to <a href="http://hfassoc.org/" rel="nofollow">http://hfassoc.org/</a> then click on Register and complete the form.<br /> Best wishes,<br /> Chris </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=27#post-49 Wed, 04 May 2011 15:24:34 +0000 motiwana 49@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Hello Chris,<br /> Could you kindly walk me through the process of joining the Harrier Force Association. Unfortunately, once again, I am fighting the latest bout of the dreaded cancer and am under going a very very aggressive bout of chemotherapy sessions. I would however like to attend the bash on the 16th of July, all things being equal. I will try and manipulate the medical types to either zap me pre the 16th of July or post the 16th of July. Look forward to hearing from you in the not too distant future.<br /> Best Regards,<br /> Mo Tiwana. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=26#post-48 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:22:36 +0000 webmaster 48@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>As you all know, the Squadron Disbandment Parade will take place on 28 January. However, there is also going to be a 4 Squadron Association Dinner that evening, at RAF Wittering, organised by the Sqn. (Previously I thought this was going to be a combined disbandment dinner.)</p> <p>The venue is the Officers’ Mess at RAF Wittering, dress Black Tie, timing 1930 for 2000, price £40 per head. All ranks are welcome. If you would like to attend please send the following information to Flt Lt James McMillan &lt;4rsqn-opsb02@wittering.raf.mod.uk&gt; on the Sqn:</p> <p>Name:<br /> Contact Number:<br /> Email:<br /> Car Model:<br /> Car Registration:</p> <p>Obviously time is now tight so please book quickly so we can get an idea of numbers. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=6#post-47 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 07:49:29 +0000 John Wickham 47@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Read this article and its mentioned as IV (AC) Sqn as far back as WW2 </p> <p><a href="http://www.rafnews.co.uk/readstory.asp?storyID=479&amp;returnto=search.asp&amp;page=2&amp;departmentID=43&amp;categoryID=&amp;search=" rel="nofollow">http://www.rafnews.co.uk/readstory.asp?storyID=479&amp;returnto=search.asp&amp;page=2&amp;departmentID=43&amp;categoryID=&amp;search=</a> </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=25#post-46 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:27:30 +0000 motiwana 46@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>It is 1972 and Germany and the World are all hyped up about the Olympics being held in Munich. Alas, there is a terrorist attack on the athletes and several Israeli atheletes are killed by these terrorists. Then according to the intelligence reports, it is believed that the next target will be a NATO base. So the MOD in their infinte wisdom decides to fly in squadrons of Rock-Apes to ensure that the safety and security of RAF bases in Germany is not compromised.For our share, we managed to get 2 Field Squadron to look after our safety and security at RAF Wildenrath !!! The Squadron Commander of 2 Field Squadron commandered the guard room upon his arrival, from where he was to direct his Rock-Apes to ensure that the security of RAF Wildenrath was not compromised. All was well, until one day we had a Harrier come down with an engine change. The Station Commander, who by then was Group Captain George Black, decided that this engine change should be carried out under field conditions and the event photgraphed for posterity. So we towed the crippled Harrier to the revetments and prepared it for an engine change under the field conditions. In the mean time, Flt.Sgt. Jim Marshall had contacted N.C.O. i/c photo section and told him of our plan and that a photographer should be present with his state of the art Rollieflex camera to photograph the event. Eventually, we were all ready to pull this very poor sick Harrier apart and all the dignitaries, who had to be there, were present, except the Station Photo-g. After waiting for him patiently for some time, the Station Commander asked where was this phot-g? The Photo section was called and they said that he had already left the Photo Section and should be on site any minute.Another fort-five minutes went by, still no sign of the Photo-g. By this time the Staion Commander was getting a litle bit agitated ( there were no mobile phones in those days)!!!! Eventually, about an hour and a half later a seach party was sent out to find this photo-g. They finally found this poor photo-g in a very very poor state in the guard room. What had transpired was that after the Station Commander's orders, this poor photo-g was detailed to walk over to the 4 Sqn hanger, with his Rollieflex camera and additional roles of films and declare his availability. Unfortunately, for him, the poor guy got picked up by the Rock-Apes who accused him of being a Russian spy. They took his camera away from him and un-reeled all his films and then beat him up,tore his shirt up and took his socks and shoes away. After they finished with him, they then bundled him up from head to toe in a gunny-sack, threw him in the back of their Land-Rover, drove him to the guard room and presented him to their Squadron Commander, who then reverted to his Gestapo type interrogation mode. By the time we found the poor photo-g, he had been beaten up, all his clothing torn and stripped, his camera equipment destroyed, a jibbering wreck, and this was done by our own side!!!! To say that the Staion Commander and the Boss were not impressed by the resident Rock-Apes is an under-statement. It could only happen on 4 Sqn !!! </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=24#post-44 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:55:43 +0000 Anonymous 44@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Dear Users,</p> <p>perhaps you are interested in the information, that the photo "Meal Time in Geseke 1973" was taken on the former WWII-airfield St http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=1#post-43 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:13:13 +0000 christophertrueman 43@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Looking for Gutersloh deployment flying site photo's. </p> <p>I am a former Supplier who had some fabulous times out in the field for our two week camping trips.</p> <p>Damme airfield near Osnabruch was a memorable one. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=23#post-42 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:29:51 +0000 webmaster 42@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>I think the new forums are working properly now. They're being run under bbPress which intergrates well with Wordpress, the web software that runs this website.</p> <p>The main difference, and the reason I changed it over, is that once you are logged into Fourfax you should be automatically logged into the Forums as well. If it doesn't work, try logging out and in again and send me an email so I can research the snag.</p> <p>Chris </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=22#post-41 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:05:51 +0000 motiwana 41@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>During summer of 1971, we were once again, bound for Deci. As usual, while we were there, a great deal of effort was being put into keeping the troops occupied during the weekends. There used to be a PSI bus at the station called the "SARDO VOYAGER". The visiting squadron could hire it for a day with the driver to go sight seeing. This particular weekend, not to be any different, we hired the Sardo Voyager to go sight seeing some of the Grottos on the south west of the island. All was well until the return journey from the Grottos, when a strange knocking noise started to emanate from the engine compartment of the Sardo Voyager. Another couple of miles of driving, the low oil pressure light illuminated and the engine stalled. With all the technical expertise available on the Sardo Voyger, a verdict of low oil quantity was reached. As luck would have it, we had broken down abeam an oil refinery !!! So your truly volunteered to go to the oil refinery and see if I could get a gallon of oil from them. After all, they had millions of gallons of oil there. Surely they could spare a gallon.I was turned away unceremoniously with a sign language to tell me that there was an Agip petrol station two kms down the road. Off I went to this Agip petrol station and purchased a gallon of oil and walked back to the Sardo Voyger. Unfortunately, after pouring the gallon of oil in the Sardo Voyger's engine, the engine did not want to start. I then volunteered to hitch a ride to Cagliari and Poeto and see if I could get a rescue. After walking 3 or 4 kms. I was picked up by a sardinian family and driven all the way to the Bowmans club in Poeto. I managed to track down the SNCO i/c MTSS and told him of our plight. Unfortunately, he was less than helpful. I then knocked on the door of O.C. Ops' house and explained the situation to him. He told me that I could borrow his long wheeled base land rover, but he had no tow rope. I also asked the O.C. Ops if he could somehow get a message to the Boss about our predicament, which he assured me that he would. Undeterred by that, I took possession of the land rover and drove to the Italian Navy base on the Via Roma in Cagliari. At the Italian Naval base, I managed to seek out the Duty Officer and using pidgeon English and sign language got him to give me a length of the hawser. I then drove out to the Sardo Voyger as fast as I could because by now it was dark. I got there in one piece and hooked up the Sardo Voyger and started the tow back to Deci. We couldn't have driven more than 15 kms when the Boss with Sqn.Ldr. King and Sqn.Ldr. Thomas turned up in three long wheel base landrovers for the rescue. We abandoned the Sardo Voyger and everybody got into the three land rovers and were driven back to Deci. I drove O.C. Ops land Rover back to his house in Poeto and caught the courtesy bus back to Deci.<br /> When we were to redeploy to Deci again in 1972, at the pre-deployment briefing by Sqn. Ldr. King, he made a point of mentioning and I quote, "Mo, for your information they have assured me that the Sardo Voyger is fully serviceable," unquote. It brought a smile to my face. As promised, we had no problems with the Sardo Voyger this deployment. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=18#post-40 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:24:11 +0000 Dick Hocking 40@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>That was a day and a half that was.<br /> Will not forget it in a hurry, unfortunately i didnt get any pics for some reason.<br /> Really strange as i normally had my camera with me all the everywhere i went. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=21#post-39 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:49:06 +0000 webmaster 39@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>1. Make sure you're logged into the Gallery (if you're logged onto Fourfax you should be automatically logged into the Galllery as well). </p> <p>2. Then click on the "Members' Uploads" album to see that album. </p> <p>3. You should now see an item in the left-hand column called "Add Items". Clicking on this takes you to another page which offers a selection of methods for uploading pics. </p> <p>Alternatively, just e-mail the pics to me and I'll upload them! </p> <p>Hope this helps, </p> <p>Chris </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=21#post-38 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:46:20 +0000 Roy Harrison 38@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>How do we input photos into the gallery? &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_confused.gif&quot; title=&quot;:?&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=21#post-37 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:45:38 +0000 webmaster 37@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Hi Norman, </p> <p>If you're logged into the website ("Log in" on the main page) you'll see all the pictures at full-size. </p> <p>Hope this helps, </p> <p>Chris </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=21#post-35 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:43:11 +0000 normangilholm 35@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Hi, </p> <p>I posted a picture of 4 squadron sitting between two hunters at Gutersloh 1968. After much experimentation to get the smallest file which would still allow users to zoom in and identify individuals in the photo. I posted a file of 525Kb.</p> <p>I now see it in the Hunter album 2797bytes 150x 67 pixel! What's the point? You may as well delete the file. You cannot view 58 people and two aircraft at 150x67 pixels. Same applies to the photo of 4 squadron Hunter "Kilo".</p> <p>Regards,<br /> Norm Gilholm </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=20#post-34 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:08:09 +0000 webmaster 34@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Several posts on the website. To register, go to:</p> <p><a href="http://www.homeoftheharrier.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeoftheharrier.com/</a> </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=19#post-33 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:00:04 +0000 petehughes 33@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Does anyone have images of either or both the sqn detachments to Bodo and Bardufoss in 1998-99? </p> <p>I would really appreciate you e-mailing me some images.</p> <p>PS if you're ever at Cosford pop in and see me I'm working above the JAX bar in ADS.</p> <p>Pete </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=18#post-32 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:58:58 +0000 andrewwilliams 32@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>That happened on the morning of 06 Jan 84 as a result of winds of 70mph gusting up to 104mph. All 6 of our Harriers were damaged by flying debris that morning; the one in the picture was gift-wrapped by a sheet of aluminium planking blown 40 yards, with someone, possibly Lofty, underneath at the time. </p> <p>The Phantoms suffered some minor damage, mainly, I think, beacuse they were kept inside Rubb shelters whilst our Harriers slept outside. We managed to get all six jets flying that afternoon: the PhanDet boys could manage only one. : </p> <p>It all started about 0630 and, although we were working 24 hour shifts, everyone was up and working that day, repairing jets, clearing debris, nailing it down, manoeuvring trucks, bowsers and fire tenders onto the taxiway/parking area, strapping tents down, retrieving blown-away stuff. We were all knackered at the end. </p> <p>The general (OC BFFI) was a regular visitor to HarDet, and was popular with the groundcrew as he didn't get to see many Harriers and thought they were fantastic. He turned up that afternoon to witness the wind damage, was shown the damaged, removed components, saw all six (plus lone F-4) airborne and was shown the repairs when they landed. </p> <p>To our complete surprise, he returned to our bar that evening, told his driver to "Wait there!" and said all the beers were on him that evening. He spent most of the evening talking to the grouncrew, which was most appreciated by all. Top bloke - I hope he can read this 21 years on! </p> <p>I have a substantial album of photographs from our first Falklands detachment, OCT82 to MAR83, including a dozen or so of this breezy day. At some point (sooner, subject to peer pressure) I will sort them into groups (people, Harriers, Christmas, scenery, penguins, weaponry, Stanley etc), scan them and post on the website. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=18#post-31 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:58:16 +0000 Nick Prior 31@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Jock<br /> It was repaired &amp; lived to fly many more sorties.<br /> The same thing happened again to a GR3 when 3(F) were doing thier stint down south. We also lost the RUB hanger to the wind, quite a sight a large orange UFO floating over the outer harbour !!! </p> <p>Nick Prior 3(F) 82-85 IV(AC) 87-93 &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_eek.gif&quot; title=&quot;8O&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=18#post-30 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:57:27 +0000 jockheron 30@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Splendid collection of imagery over the GR1/3 years but whatever happened to the Falklands jet (about P15) with the metal matting personal shelter? Was it repaired or written off I wonder? </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=16#post-28 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:52:58 +0000 webmaster 28@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>I received this query from Jaap Woortman, a member of the Study Group Airwar 1939-1945<br /> <a href="http://www.airwar39-45.nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.airwar39-45.nl</a></p> <p>At October 29th, 1944, when No.4 RAF Sqn. was stationed at B.70 Deurne-Antwerp(Belgium), F/L D.C.Wilkins RAF 101007, had to do a recce to Hengelo(Netherlands) area in his Spitfire IX PL953. During this sortie he was attacked by a Me 262 of Kdo.Nowotny. The Me 262 was flown by Ltn. Alfred Schreiber. The attack took place over the Nordhorn (Germany) area. During the attack the Me 262 hit (rammed) the Spitfire. The Me 262 pilot had to bail out and the Me 262 made a crash at Tubbergen (Netherlands). F/Lt Wilkins flew back home. It is not possible to learn from his communication with Deurne a/f that he knew that he was hit by the Me 262. Information from ORB No.4 Sqn. form 540. He made a forced-landing over enemy territory north of Tilburg (Netherlands). He was taken POW by the Germans.</p> <p>My questions are:<br /> - Does someone know the take-off time of F/L D.C.Wilkins from B.70 Deurne? The information should be at the ORB of No.4 Sqn. Form 541 of that day.<br /> - Does someone know where and at what time F/Lt Wilkins made his landing?<br /> - Is Mr. D.C.Wilkins still alive and a member of the No.4 Sqn. Ass.?</p> <p>(No, he's not a member - Chris) </p> <p>Does anybody have any knowledge of this incident or suggestions as to where Jaap should look? </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=15#post-27 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:52:07 +0000 webmaster 27@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>This is doing the e-mail rounds at the moment - can you help?<br /> -------------------------------------------------</p> <p>As you know, the Berlin Airlift represents one of the most dramatic humanitarian efforts of the post-war era and was a strikingly successful example of British and American co-operation. It was also an event which made a major contribution to turning a WWII enemy into a Cold War ally. </p> <p>Dr. Helena P. Schrader, an American historian who has lived for the last twenty years in Berlin, has just signed a contract with Sutton Publishing Ltd to write a book commemorating the http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=14#post-26 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:47:31 +0000 jackwade 26@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>I received this reply on another newsgroup and thought I would post it here if anyone is interested. I welcome comment if anyone has a different recollection: </p> <p>From Richard L Ward, "Hunter Squadrons of the Royal Air Force and Fleet Air Arm" - </p> <p>"The colourful bars flanking the fuselage roundels were omitted on several (and perhaps all) of the F.6's . . ." </p> <p>This above a picture of an F6 at Waddington in 1960, with no roundel bars. Dick Ward says that No.4 was disbanded shortly afterward (December 1960) and reformed immediately in January 1961 at Gutersloh with FR.10s which had both fuselage roundel and nose insignia bars. </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=14#post-25 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:46:32 +0000 jackwade 25@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Hello all, I was kindly given a log in as an "associate member" because I am researching Hunter F.6s with RAFG. I have a question and maybe some kind soul out there has the answer. The pictures I have seen all show 4 Sqn. F.6s with the squadron emblem on the nose and the lightning bolt bars on either side of it but none on the fuselage either side of the roundel.</p> <p>The F.4s of 4 Sqn. had the emblem on the nose without bars on either side but did have the bars on either side of the fuselage roundel. Example here: </p> <p><a href="http://www.rafjever.org/4sqnpic050.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rafjever.org/4sqnpic050.htm</a> </p> <p>Later pics of F.10s show both bars around the emblem and the fuselage roundel but at the top of the roundel instead of in the middle as on F.4s.</p> <p>My question is this: when did the squadron begin to apply the bars around the top of the fuselage roundel as seen on F.10s? In particular, was it ever applied to F.6s or was it something new for F.10s? I know I am asking a question about an obscure detail in appearance almost 50 years ago, but I figure it is worth a shot. Any pictures of F.6s from 4 Sqn. may be helpful. I don't have any that were not taken in 57 or 58, so maybe a later F.6 picture may answer my question. In any event, thanks for the invitation to research the site, the picture gallery is brilliant and very helpful for my purposes. </p> <p>Cheers,<br /> Jack </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=13#post-24 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:45:30 +0000 davidcalder 24@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Dave, I think Eric Whittaker (who is here at Cosford ) has a copy of that picture so I will see what I can do. Remember the piano incident well cos' we then had to rebuild it with cardboard if you recall!</p> <p>Good det but i am sure it was 1992, we played 323 at footy as well and turned them over! </p> http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/topic.php?id=13#post-23 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:44:36 +0000 davecash 23@http://www.fourfax.co.uk/wordpress/forums/ <p>Does anyone out there have a photo of the hanger door at Leewarden in 93 which has to go down as the biggest Sqn zap in history, or a photo of Charlie Mc Ilroy's face the night we set fire to the officers' piano outside 323 Sqns line hut the night before their mess function after we carted it all the way from Gut for them? </p>